| As a few people have further
written us about the concept of "Sex in Heaven",
after reading the page on our Heavenly Paradise Site which deals with that
subject, we decided to publish some of the sincere questions people had,
and the answers that we were inspired with, to them. It may or may not be
of interest to you.
NARROWING THE SUBJECT: "IS THERE SEX IN
HEAVEN?"
<<It's a wonderful thing to see a new spin
on things we've already read. Things that we don't question, questioned.>>
You say it is a new spin! It is actually a very old Biblical spin, that
sad to say has gotten severely lost between the selfrighteous rubble of
the rabbis and the fear of the pharisees and narrowminded churchians,
who automatically frown on the sexual freedoms of God's People,
of Adam and Eve, Ruth & Boaz, Queen Esther, King David, Samson, Solomon,
Moses and the sexual capers of Lot's daughters, Judah & Tamar, and
almost all of the patriarchs. And why? Because many confuse spirituality
with abstinense, a-sexualness, rather than equating spirituality with
just oldfashioned obedience to Jesus' Law of Love and not to forget:
Mark 16:15! But OK, it may be a new spin, in the sense perhaps
that "there is nothing new under the sun." Nevetheless, concerning
the subject "Does
Sex equal Sin?", check this link please, as that's another big
subject!
<<I completely agree with you as to the
nature of sex on this earth. Sex is a gift, something to be savoured,
and shared, between two people who love one another. Yes, there is sinful
sex, but if the parties make love for the proper reasons, it is a beautiful
thing.>>
Right! I don't know how people could love for improper
reasons, that of course being silly semantics, but true whatever
is done in LOVE, is a fulfillment of the law! Again another subject; "Which
sexual relationships are lawful in this life? And: "Which are lawful
in the next", with different posible answers. This involves the Law
of Christ versus the Laws of Moses! This, the LAW
of LOVE is treated on another page. Again, on this page we merely
treat the subject, "Is there sex in heaven?"
NO NEED FOR SEX IN HEAVEN??
<<However, the heavenly nature is...different.
That's, of course, obvious. But, really, if you read throughout the
Bible...heaven is pure bliss. There isn't a NEED for sex in heaven.
That's the main problem I have with your interpretation of the passages
you mention.>>
You are partially right in that there is NO NEED in Heaven
for SEX! To qualify that statement I include a link to Dr. Peter
Kreeft on the subject of Sex in Heaven, as I subscribe to a lot
of what he writes.
But to explain further: In heaven there is "no need"
for walking, as angels and spirits can float and fly, or
even instantly translate themselves to other places. So yes! There's
even "no need" to fly! But they do fly
There, when for example they want to enjoy the scenery during the trip!
And they float and they can still walk even, in their spiritual
and resurrection bodies, but it's true, that they don't HAVE
to! Here we NEED to walk, unless we stay seated or are carried
around all day! We are BOUND to! But There we are free
from it, as well as from many other things! Eating, drinking, eliminating,
disease, death, sweating, tiredness, weight, smellyness, etc. and thus
from washing, showering, going toilet, laundry, house cleanup, etc.
So true! We won't HAVE to eat in Heaven, because we CANNOT
die! For the same reason we don't NEED to breathe, drink
and exercise! But I believe that ALL THINGS are possible!Especially
There!And that we CAN if we WANT to! Just being liberated
from the necessity of many earthly things, does not necessarily negate
their existence! And there might be yet another kind of need for
those things!
After His resurrection, Jesus ate, walked
among, and talked with His disciples! As "we will be like
Him", we will be able to do so too, especially during the
imminent Millennium when we will have to "become one"
with the natural survivors of the coming holocaust in order to properly
rule them, and be able to walk, talk, eat and drink etc. with themour
subjectsas Jesus did with us, when He walked the earth! And
why not ... and in the following natural reaction of many, lies the whole
quintessense of the matter at hand!Why should we not make
love with our subjects as well? As "the sons of God came
in unto the daughters of men!" What is wrong with sexual relationships?
The natural instant reaction of most Churchians here, is: "No
way! A pastor shouldn't make love with his fold! Jesus never made love
with Mary Magdalene! That of ALL things is sin, sin, sin!"
And why is that the natural reaction of religionists and even a
lot of normal "moral" people, who would never voice as strong
a rejection of say: "Let's send our boys to kill Saddam Hussein
and his people!" (So much for the righteousness of "normal,
moral" people and most religionists!) "But SEX? NO WAY!",
they say, "Sex is by definition WRONG!" "Sex is immoral",
"Sex is a necessary evil!" Which is a lot of ballyhoo and holy
bullshit! SEE: "Does
Sex equal Sin?
EARTHLY SEX AN ILLUSTRATION OF HEAVENLY SEX
I agree that Heaven is pure bliss, in that we will have shed the weight
and limitations of the flesh. And I agree that there will be things
there that far outshine the pleasures of the flesh!To
be specificthe pleasures of the Spirit, of which earthly
Sex is mainly an illustration!Spiritual orgasms, which, by
the way, can even be experienced in this life, when given from Heaven!
We will have, and are promised, Spiritual intercourse with our
BridegroomJesuswhen we will join Him in Spiritual matrimony!
Our earthly SEX is a mere object lesson, a flannelgraph, a photocopy,
an illustration of the REAL SEX Overthere! Heavenly sex! As the
little girl asked her Mommy, "Can you eat candy while making love?"
Ha! It's more a matter of priority rather than abolition! Do you get the
drift?
You need to understand not only that GOD is not averse of sex, neither
that He frowns upon it, but that He GLORIES in Sex, as God Himself
made SEX the greatest physical thrill in life as illustration of the SPIRITUAL
thrill that He has in store for us! And that everything on this earth
is merely an illustration of Spiritual realities! Especially SEX! The
main thing that is on every human's mind! That they sing about in most
of their songs! Love and its physical expression: Sex! In fact God's nature
is pure Sexual in itself, in that Godthe trinityis male
and female!
EVEN IF NO HEAVENLY NEED, WILL IT NOT BE DESIRED
IN HEAVEN AT ALL?
Jesus promised us, that He would "drink the fruit of the vine with
us" in Kingdom Come! His wording was very specific: "the fruit
of the vine!" In other words: "Make no mistake! Physical
wine!" So that no one could spiritualise His Words as some kind of
spiritual heavenly nectar, or just an allegory of something else! Wine!
So even if there is no need for Sex in Heaven, as we won't have
to procreate anymore to keep the human race going, who owns wisdom that,
while we can drink wine in Heaven, we couldn't furg* there if we wanted
to? huh? If we can drink wine, eat, walk, talk and swim, why couldn't
we love, kiss, cuddle and make love as well, if we feel like it? [*"to
furg", is an ancient polite Anglo-Saxon form and action verb!]
A lot of people come with this thing, that we will be "as the angels
in Heaven", and that we won't be given in marriage anymore [dealt
with in last chapter!], but we've already seen that that does not
mean that there will not be males and femalesas many NDE's indicatenor
that there will be no relationships, nor sexual engagements!
Actually, when you take into account the nature of many relationships
in this life, there is a whole lot of improvement to be made, before
it gets abolished, if ever? Heaven will be a place where we will confess
our mistakes, forgive each other our failures, and where we'll have to
make up for our mistakes here. And what better way to make up than having
a good love up together! And not only that, but sex will not be impaired
as it often is on Earth, by impotency, frigidity, tirednes, headaches,
television, handicaps or whatever.
As the cripple will run There, and the blind will see, as the deaf will
finally hear, so the sexually impaired or frustrated will furg There with
gusto! I believe it with all my heart! Even if only once in his life!
Ha! Just to know what he missed!
WERE THE SONS OF GOD EVIL OR GOOD
<<I was quite frankly disappointed by your
mentions of how Christians interpret Genesis 6:1. The following is my
interpetation.>>
Sorry! Didn't mean to disappoint you, but I feel that religionists and
Churchians make a comedy of error of our most holy faith which
was delivered unto us, by their blind, bigoted, narrowminded, pre-conceived,
often pagan, prejudiced interpretations of the Holy Scriptures! Also I
warned them to not enter my site, and that they wouldn't agree with the
contents. Neither did I write for them, I wrote for the children of God
scattered abroad, that are lost out there! "And no man careth for
their souls!" Those who are largely offended by the Churchians, because
of their vindictive love of the LAW, justice, punishment, judgment, condemnation
and the like, shutting up the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven from those
whom we should be reaching with Love, tolerance, reason, equity and REAL
righteousness and faith, which is a GIFT of God, and not a product
of our own self-made spirituality or moronic obedience to "the
law!" "Faith which works by Love!"
<<We are often called the children of God,
are we not? If talking about the males, would sons of God be far off?
Right before, in Chapters 4 and 5, the separation of Cain's descendants
from Seth's was chronologicalled, as well as the geneology of Seth's
descendants to Noah. Seth's descendants were the godly people, worshipping
him, giving sacrifices unto him. Cain's were the ungodly, the selfish.
Soon, though, the godly slowly became ungodly as they began to settle
closer to the children of Cain. The daughters of Cain were tempting,
and the godly men took these as their wives. This led to a new generation,
in which all were ungodly, no boundary between the two. The men who
gained these wives, whether than seen as becoming ungodly, were considered
the heroes of this new generation. That is my interpretation. The giants,
I find, aren't important in this. Besides -- if angels conceived giant
children with regular human women, would the human women not be killed
in the birth, if not the pregnancy? >>
Yes! We are not only called, but we ARE the Children of
God!--If we have received Jesus! I think yours is an interesting interpretation.
And I respect it as such, as I DO believe in freedom of religion, even
if it is not mine, as long as that religion doesn't stand in the way of
witnessing to the lost and reaching them. Just as Jesus blasted the Churchians
of His time to Hell, when they got abnoxious with Him, and confused His
sheep!
You have as much right to your interpretation as I have to mine, but I
am sure you are tolerant enough to respect that I like mine better? Ha!
I even go along with some of your views that the wickedness of man was
even expressed in those early Genesis days in the flesh even! It says
that Cain had even a mark on him. But I think those days are passed now,
even though "He beautifies the meek with salvation!"
Wickedness is primarily in the heart and in the spirit. But yes the offspring
of Cain was probably infected with the sins of Cain, but to go so far
as to say that the sons of Seth were sons of God, just by birth, because
Seth was a child or Son of God? That goes a little too far for me. It
is true that Seth's offspring began to call upon the Lord, so they must
have been a bit more righteous than the other side of the Family. But
to say that he was a "son of God" by birth, or that a "son
of God" means all the righteous males, and that women were then by
definition wicked? Ayai! That sounds sexist!
Besides all descendents of Seth, except for Noah's immediate family disbelieved
His message and spurned their salvation, the Arc, and drowned in the flood
as well!
"Sons of God" is mentioned in the Bible 11 times, 6 times in
reference to Children of God by faith in the New Testament, but 5 times
in the Old testament, 3 of which are in the Book of Job, where they came
before God and
Satan came among them, and once that they shouted for joy together with
the morningstars at the creation, before the foundations of the Earth
were laid. So 3 times that couldn't refer to flesh and blood people, but
only to the angels. Also the word in Hebrew is usually translated as angels
or messengers. So the meaning of "angels" would be the preponderance
of the scriptures.
1John 3:2 "Beloved, NOW ARE we the sons
of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that,
when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as
he is."
Luke 20:35 "But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain
that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are
given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are EQUAL
unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of
the resurrection."
"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of
the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the {sons of God}
saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives
of all which they chose."
I think that the "sons of God" are different from the "men"
above, in that they were more than "men" who already
multiplied, obviously also with the "daughters" of men! And
as far as the giants, if they weren't born from non-giants, then there
must have been two human races, one Giant Adam and Eve and one normal
size couple! Giants are still born of normal size people today, but they
are small at birth.
INTERPRETATION OFTEN BY PRECONCEPTION RATHER
THAN BY PREPRONDERANCE!
But no matter what the real truth may be, interpretation of the Word of
God by Churchians nowadays and in the past, has always been very
sex-phobic! They are afraid of that part of Gods creation, just
as afraid as Adam and Eve became after the FALL of their penis
and vagina! Which explains soooo well, what the FALL was really all about!
It was about SEX and SIN! They began to think that SEX was the
SIN! And THAT was precisely the lie of the Devil,
as he was trying to scuttle God's plan from the very beginning, by attacking
"be fruitful and multiply!"
That was what the REAL sin of disobedience to Gods Word and the
evil knowledge of Satan had lead them to believe and think! And that is
why especially religious churchians are still stuck in the FALL,
even though many of them claim to be liberated from sin, they really are
not where they perpetrate sin as their fleshly religious thinking
that Sex equals SIN! Which it doesnt! Sex is great! As far as we, the
Children of God, are concerned, we are liberated from sin, as much as
Adam and Eve were before the Fall! They were fruitful and tried to multiply!
They were at it every day! How about you?
<<The bliss of heaven does not match the
pleasure of sex.>>
I would put it different: I believe that the bliss of Heaven is
very sexual, as the nature of God Himself is very sexual!
<<Heaven is a sexless place. Why? It isn't
needed. The pleasure of sex cannot measure
to the pleasure bestowed on us from God as we live in heaven. Please,
I'd love to hear your responses. Again, thank you for shining a new
light on the Scripture, and, if nothing else, making me think. I don't
do that often enough.:)>>
Well wouldn't YOU be pleasantly surprised when you find out Heaven
is rather a very sexy place?? Be honest now! Wow! Are you ready to die?
Ha! You are if you have Jesus!
Thank you Jesus!
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<<This sinner found your page proclaiming
that there will be sex in heaven while searching the internet for Christian
viewpoints on human sexuality -specifically on the question "What
does God say about married couples having sex purely for pleasure and
not procreation?"
Your interpretation of the passage in Genesis 6 regarding the sons of
God and the daughters of men is a bit out of context: 1 Cor 5 &
6 outlines God's position about that action; and then following along
in Genesis, God proceeds to wipe out those people from the face of the
earth. I suspect that this is the origin of the mythological (little
g) gods and goddesses and people like Persephone, Perseus,
Atlas, and Hercules.
God clarifies his intent for his gift of sex and tells us how to get
maximum enjoyment from it throughout his Word. In today's society man
is hell bent on doing it his own way and is getting floored with things
like STDs, child abuse, spousal abuse, rape, and murder. Yep, I'd say
these sons of God were the angels that fell along with Satan. When we
get to heaven we will be united with God, the same one who invented
sex. And as sex was made for this earthly world I'll bet there's something
even better waiting in heaven!>> Wyett
Dear Wyett, Thanks for your letter! Fun hearing from you! So glad you
are a sinner! Welcome to the club! Ha! I hope you are a saved one
though! Glad for you, that you were looking into having sex purely for
pleasure, as that is what I do most of the time, as we can't have children
anymore. But thank God that he made procreation so pleasurable, no? Are
you a Catholic? I agree that there will be a much greater "thing"
in Heaven than sex, of which sex is merely THE illustration! The marriage
unity is THE illustration of the unity of the Bride of Christ with the
Bridegroom at the Wedding supper of the Lamb, after the return of Christ!
The physical orgasm is merely THE illustration of the bliss and fulfillment,
that is indescribable in this 4-dimensional world, of the pleasures with
Christ to COME! We are ALREADY one in Him and the Father and the sons
of God by faith, IF we have received and believed on Him, but WILL be
in our Heavenly Flesh and bones after the imminent resurrection!
JESUS, after HIS resurrection, ate, talked, walked, flew and almost hugged
Mary Magdalene, in His resurrection body! Our resurrection bodies will
therefore ALSO be able to eat, drink, walk and do all things that we enjoy
now, including making love! BUT, we don't HAVE to! Because heavenly beings,
don't HAVE to talk--with their mouths--as they communicate through direct
thought transfer! They don't NEED to eat or drink, as they cannot die
anymore, they don't HAVE to walk, as they can fly and teletransport at
the speed of thought, as distance is non-consequential in Heavenly regions!
But we CAN if we WANT too! What if you'd like to stroll slowly through
the Heavenly City with your loved one, like you "used to" on
Earth?
The POINT is, that Sex is not SIN, and has its place in Heaven,
although true, it is outshined by UPDATED Heavenly pleasures! I have Windows
98, but I can still use windows 95 if I would want to, and actually my
friend is right now still using Windows 3.11, as it is an old computer!
Poor guy! The trouble is that while some people DO believe that Heavenly
sex is going to be free and wonderful, here on earth they think that SEX
is sinful by nature, by definition, by principle, and severely
limited! THAT's why some people get so shocked when they read my page!
If I only hadmade the point that we can eat in Heaven, people wouldnt
write me any letters! Because that isn't a big deal! "Yeah! SO WHAT!
We eat here too!" They wouldnt think twice! But SEX! "HO! STOP!
WAIT A MINUTE! SEX and HEAVEN? That doesn't compute! That is like comparing
the kitchen with the sceptic tank! No no no! Incompatible! Cannotdo!"
The reason for these preprogrammed conditioned reactions (mainly from
Churchians!) is the erroneous teaching and conditioning that "sex
equals sin!" "Naughty naughty!" Not in that many words,
but in essence, in extrapolation, in spirit, in action, in fear! And this
"Judeo-Christian" moral deception has so fully saturated Western
society, so much so, that the wicked have rebelled by going all out the
other way, into unnatural, violent, hurtful ways even and often a total
disregard of the feelings of those involved, or the resulting children
involved.
But anyway, you can't convince anybody, if they prefer their way of thinking!
Because, That is how their faith goes! Like in the old days, dancing,
short dresses, pants, using a piano in church, movies, etc. was considered
sin! And if they thought that, then it was a sin
for them! If you believe you can only have sex for procreation,
and not for
pleasure--although I wouldn't know how to do that! Ha!--you'd better have
procreation on your mind all throughout the entire sex session and stop
immediately after your seed emerges, or it is a sin to you! As
the Word says: "Whatsoever is not of faith,
IS SIN!" And "He that sins, abides
not in the house forever!" "But if the SON shall set you free,
you shall be free indeed!" (John 8:31-34) As Paul says,
"happy is the man that condemns not
himself in the things which he allows!" That does not
imply that "anything goes", because anything does not
go! But it means that "we are justified by
faith!" Not by obedience to the law anyway! The law was only
necessary to wake us up to our fallen state! But it cannot set us free!
I respect your views on Genesis 6, as I believe in freedom of religion,
but in case you enjoyed this, I'd be happy to discuss that next time.
Lots of love (the fulfillment of the law!) and Happy trails! Yours in
Jesus!
Dan Free.
PS: Concerning the "sons of God" being "devils"
in this case because they made love with the "daughters of
men", is perhaps borrowed from an apocrival book, the "Book
of Enoch!", which I did read, but which I personally do not
accept as the Word of God! Who knows maybe it was written by Satan, to
make sex even more evil than he had made it already.
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